Jonathan. What are your thoughts on this. The Dancesport Championship from Australia televised on Tuesday. In the Amatuer Division there were many international top dancers competing. Watching the start of the Feather Step in both the semi final and the final. It was possible to count and wind back count another couple and so on. The couples I counted six in all. I only saw one couple do the normal Feather Step timing. That was a Chinese couple.They appeared to go into the Reverse Turn late. It even looked out of time. All the others did an introductory step on beat 1. with the remainder of the Feather all quicks, which makes the first step of the Feather a quick, instead of what is normaly a slow. The event was won by Germany's top couple.
In your Learn the Dances. I love the clicking on the screen to get the big picture. Great.

You still haven't figured it out, Quickstep.

The feather will carry over into the second measure exactly as far as the prep step carried into the first measure. Different couples may have different carryovers, but nobody dances with the abbreviated timing you accurse them of.

There is no shortening the feather to three quicks - if you actually time the interval, you will see that the feather gets a full four beats.

They just aren't beats 1-4 of the first measure.

I was asking Jonathan.
You Anonymous do not have a tape obviously. If you have you are incapable of counting. The four quicks are also being used after a Change of Direction which allows us to keep in phrase with the music and not dance on 34 12.
So that I know you understand. How would you do a Change of Direction into a Feather Step and be in phrase..Tell me or shut up..

"I was asking Jonathan."

Try doing some searching then and you'll see what he's already said on the subject.

"You Anonymous do not have a tape obviously. If you have you are incapable of counting."

Get yourself over to your old thread and look at the numbers, measured off of world-finalist competitors (the first being my best guess at who YOU were nominating as an example) that I posted.

Still trying to argue with those INDISPUTABLE FACTS???

"So that I know you understand. How would you do a Change of Direction into a Feather Step and be in phrase..Tell me or shut up.."

Quite tossing in extranoues issues to cover you own mistake.

For the recond, I would dance my last step of the COD (if going into a feather) essentially the same as my prep step when starting the dance.

Then you are on the wrong beat. And will enter your Reverse movement , what ever it may be on the incorrect beat. Lets make it simple. An Open Telemark. Surely you don't deliberately dance it 3 4 1 2. How about a Double Reverse. In a class starting at the Double Reverse. The teacher doesn't call out with the music the first step as 3 4. She says with the music 1 2. Doesn't she. Then what are you doing dancing on 3 4. which will happen with your timing in the Change of Direction. You have such a lot to learn.

"Then you are on the wrong beat. And will enter your Reverse movement , what ever it may be on the incorrect beat."

Well, I'm in good company with the likes of Mirko Gozzoli, and Andrew Sinkinson, and pretty much everyon else whose every won anything. All of us drift our last quick out well more than a beat - 1.5 beats at the short end, nearly two beats at the long end.

Ever considered that perhaps YOU are the ODD ONE OUT?

"Lets make it simple. An Open Telemark. Surely you don't deliberately dance it 3 4 1 2.?

No, it would be closer to 234.5 But even that is far too crude to represent what actually happens. You were given real world measurements for the basic foxtrot figures on Jonathan, on your nominee and another top dancer. Why do you persist in IGNORING THEM?

"In a class starting at the Double Reverse."

A teacher whose students aren't yet ready to learn real-life foxtrot timing should probably not be trying to teach them how to do waltz figures in foxtrot time, but instead should be working with the classic foxtrot figures. Or were you talking about a waltz class? Waltz timing has a whole different basis of course, much closer step on the beat than is generally appropriate for foxtrot first and third steps.